Here in this special broadcast recording from KFIA Radio in Sacramento, join host Henry Wells as he interviews pastor Chris Alford on his long-running program "Pastor to Pastor". Henry and Chris talk about the challenges of doing church in a postmodern world, discipleship, what it means to be "Ancient-Future" and how in the world to spell "Epiclesis". Not a regular Sunday morning teaching podcast, but we wanted to bring you what was a great conversation! Special thanks to the staff and engineers at KFIA for their gracious invitation and wonderful hospitality.